Tuesday, February 09, 2016

In Defense of Spandrell but not Jim

A couple weeks ago when I wrote how NRX is not Altright, I mentioned being the last of the NRx bloggers. That is incorrect. There are guys out there who write still. One is Spandrell. Recently Spandrell wrote a tongue in cheek post but semi-serious about a way out of the current predicament for whites: convert to Islam. Please read it. He clearly lays out how it's the perfect cover. It is a weird way to render the Left's attacks useless. Now Spandrell sometimes writes like a condescending Eeyore, but he has a right to be pessimistic. Things look horrible. It grows worse. He received pushback, which is good but also threats which is bad.

It is Internet posting from unpaid writers. No need to threaten a guy. I laughed at his post because there are good points to it. The one catch is the problem of the Left catching on and then applying the pressure of the entire security state on you with the added cover of it being against Muslim terrorist threats. If it is solely joining a unit of the coalition of victims and the fringes, it might get bad if the coalition frays and starts an all on all war. When one is facing a totalitarian and powerful adversary, one has to think in odd ways not just to fight but to survive. This is not just surviving the USSR like Solzhenitsyn did because the Western Left has added 3rd world invasion to the mix. The future is very murky.

No need to threaten the guy. I know what my simple "Russian Amerikanskiy Zones" post inspired in some for a reaction, and that was, like Spandrell's post, an "exit" strategy. No need to threaten him because some of us joked on twitter about this a year or so ago. Could we convert to Sunni and make a sect within like the Sufis that reveres Jesus? have some fun with it? There are lapsed Muslims and bad Muslims, c'mon, they drink in France. I have seen them drink here. It's a troll to survive.

Spandrell should not get threats. It's Internet posting so click another link, turn your head, look the other way, turn the screen off. Don't tell me some of you have not weighed the "leave the US before it gets horrendous or stay and fight" pros and cons. I know you have. I have messaged with you. It is quite the debate. I think we get a fight in the 2020s. In the 2020s, there will be blood.

I'll defend Spandrell but not Jim's post "Women Like Rapists". As one of the last NRx people on twitter and with an active blog, I get notes from readers. Some people had asked me last week what the fuck is wrong with Jim, and I don't think there is anything wrong with him. Jim is a good thinker and has a unique style. Everyone has good and bad quirks, but I would not waste time defending his post. It's not my job. Go to his comments section and debate with him.

In the post, Jim takes evolutionary psychology to the nth degree and combines it with some Swedish feminists angrily saying we're not "your women" to Swedish men discussing protecting "our women". Oh man, that means the Swedish women want the Muslim rapists! What autism!

Commenters on Jim's own blog note the 500+ police reports in Cologne alone, the cries for help on TV on Internet videos and other items that maybe make this bigger than that. Jim's looking at a sliver of the issue, and this entire Islamic Invasion is way bigger than just that. How much of the kneejerk pro-migrant reaction is decades of accept the others programming? How much of this is Stockholm Syndrome? It might also politically be feminists taking any chance to proclaim their grrl power womynhood like the slutwalks and also defend the idiotic policies of the party they support. Swedish feminists might be the West's worst, too. If anything, this is a wonderful example of how the political team allegiance mind virus has so twisted feminists that they cannot see their coming deaths from stonings and honor killings. Even gays are saying we should accept the Muslims, and they will be tossed off roofs in a EU Caliphate.

But hey, Jim wrote "Women Like Rapists". Seems like hyperbole for an attention grabbing title. I don't know. What I do know is women fantasizing about rough sex and even rape in women's erotica (think any Ayn Rand written sex scene) is not like having 8 drunk Arabs beat and gang rape a 50 year old, a 21 year old or even a 10 year old. Apples and fucking oranges.

Jim has a point that the lotus eater euro men have to step up, and that patriarchy should be recognized because it is either coming back with euros in the lead or Muslims (but as Spandrell wrote, maybe Euro-Muslims). As part of "my team", I will defend Jim from baseless accusations, but not this post. Jim has many great points in many different essays, including the essays right before and after the discussed one. This one seems myopic in view.

It's okay if I am the only person in my crowd who disagrees with that post, but fuck it, it's just Internet posting.

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If interested, the MPC thread on the Dark Enlightenment is something I check every few weeks or so to see if there is constructive criticism. It has declined in quality and switched from criticism, debate and playful teasing of Foseti, Moldbug and Dark Enlightenment ideas to simply mocking the latest post from pedo.Jim (MPC's nickname for him).

36 comments:

Just Sayin' said...

The Dark Enlightenment thread over at MPC has declined in quality because NRX seems to have mostly closed up shop, with the exception of some guys like Xenosystems who are more or less obvious enemies.

You can't have a good thread just criticizing Brett Stevens posts... because he says the same thing in every post.

Criticism of NRX was more relevant when NRX was still popular. And when there was a lot of confusion and overlap between NRX and the Alt-Right.

But the distinctions that needed to be drawn have been drawn. And the criticisms that were needed have been made and they were devestating. And NRX is fading away, while the Alt-Right is growing stronger every day.

Son of Brock Landers said...

Just Sayin' - I agree with this, and much of NRx is underground now. Now piece everything together why I network with everyone on the altright, manosphere, etc. I enjoy writing too much to disappear entirely.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

The idea of Islamic conversion has been brought up for years in WN and Alt-Right circles.

I think there will be blood in Europe before the US. Europe is where Alt-Righters should go to gain street-fighting and combat experience.

Son of Brock Landers said...

LBF - My wife has joked, being trad Muslim would stop our friends from giving us shit instead of being trad catholic.

Hawk Spitui said...

Nah. Alt-Right and NRx aren't competitors. NRx is wholesale political philosophy, Alt-Right is downstream door-to-door retail politics. Alt-Right inherits some of NRx's philosophy, but is primarily an activist movement, which NRx never really was.

paworldandtimes said...

There is no survival-based need to convert to Islam because they don't want us converted, they want us brown. "They" being our ruling class.

There is also the matter that any genuine Christian will not pretend to convert because Peter's three-times denials of Christ teach us to never deny our faith.

PA

Portlander said...

Last year it hit me: the Eastern Bloc. With my mid-western roots, I'm thinking Poland might be pretty good. The brouhaha with Hungary, I think, confirms it.

Son of Brock Landers said...

PA - I agree the goal for the elite is a beige world with all the dysfunctional traits of the beige so that we cannot challenge them. Spandrell just posted how the millions of africans will seek asylum so do we say yes because they are christian? Picture set up and function like an elite of Japan on top of a dusky Brazil, except the elite will be eurasian.

Anonymous said...

Going on what is happening in the UK, and indeed throughout Europe, there is a lot of appeal for men to convert to Islam. For women, much less so: they get to be the downtrodden.

Of course for a lot of European men there is the downside of no alcohol, or more accurately, no public alcohol but as it seems Mo didn't says word about being drugged up to the eyeballs then there's always that. Plus Islam condones men having sex with anyone and everything, so there's that too.

paworldandtimes said...

"Spandrell just posted how the millions of africans will seek asylum so do we say yes because they are christian?"

Of course not!

I haven't read Spandrel's post yet but will a bit later.

Son of Brock Landers said...

Portlander - Porter tweeted last week or so that in the near future a friend will say, "I'm going on a European vacation!!!" and you will respond "Budapest, Prague or Warsaw?" because the Western EU nations will be shit and muzzed up.

paworldandtimes said...

"Last year it hit me: the Eastern Bloc. With my mid-western roots, I'm thinking Poland might be pretty good. The brouhaha with Hungary, I think, confirms it."

No fucking way.

No Californication of Eastern Europe. I had a post explaining my thinking on this subject about two months ago, "No Permanent Sanctuary in Eastern Europe."

PA

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

They give you shit for being trad Catholics?! [Did not know you were trad Catholic; much respect]. Some friends!

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

A 2BR-1BA flat in Prague or Budapest, and a nice seaside villa in Croatia for summers.

Son of Brock Landers said...

LBF - My son gets his first ashes on Wednesday. We wonder if he's gonna freak out and bail or do it. I've been prepping him that it is super awesome but you never know with a 5 yr old.

Portlander said...

Like the old saying, shirt-sleeves to shirt-sleeves in 3 generations, in an ironic twist are we now to have Warsaw to Warsaw in 4 generations?

The shame of it is that it's all such an unnecessary and horrible waste -- give up California for Poland? WTF! I guess it's been a while since I mentioned how much I utterly loathe Boomers. My contempt towards them knows no bounds.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Congrats! Let's hope he behaves.

Portlander said...

PA, I don't know what you mean by "Californication of Eastern Europe."

Also, I agree it's a sh*t sandwich, but unless you want to go down fighting like an American Indian, with about as much effect, I am certain, there's not many options in the matter.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Millions of European Americans have already given up California, for places like OR, WA, NV, AZ, and TX.

paworldandtimes said...

"Californication of Eastern Europe" is a reference to Californians fleeing their state for places like Colorado, or northeasterners moving to North Carolina and changing their host states into the same liberal places from which they had fled.

Talk of fleeing to EE has an element of escapism, which in effect cede all of the rest of the West to mud. And so you flee. What does that do for your fellow White Americans who want to stay and take America back?

The broiler is ultimately political, not demographic. Follow Trump, have a vision of a newly great America, stop feeding and transporting muds, and win.

Portlander said...

PA, Californication of Eastern Europe won't happen if it's not Californians doing the immigration.

As for "broiler is ultimately political, not demographic" I agree at present; however, there is a tipping point where it stops being political and does become demographic. The Mexicanization of So Cal, the Brazilication of S. Florida, and the Muzzication of France and England, may be past their tipping point.

grey enlightenment said...

And NRX is fading away, while the Alt-Right is growing stronger every day.

NRX is a subset of the Alt Right, so we should expect the latter to be bigger than the former. NRX still has lot of bloggers, but many don't explicitly use labels such as NRx

Lawrence Ashcroft said...

Hi there, I've just been made aware of this blog and I'm exploring it at the moment. You see, I have this blog where I aggregate lots (over a hundred actually) of RSS feeds for Alt Right sites and blogs ( Shitlord Hub ) and someone suggested that I link to your blog there, which I did. Check it yourself, I think you'll find it a useful tool. If you like it, please spread the word. Cheers.

Son of Brock Landers said...

Thanks Lawrence. I heard about your aggregator. Weird I just went to it and did not see 28 Sherman. Great to see aggregators set up!

Toddy Cat said...

Personally, I laughed my ass off over Jim's post. I don't necessarily agree with it, but like Roosh, he really knows how to get the Feminists and White Knights all riled up, and he brought up a good point; if feminists claim that they don't want rape, but they don't want men defending them, and the can't or won't defend themselves, and they persist in advocating policies that allow men with a predisposition to rape into their countries, just how serious is their opposition to rape?

Yeah, Jim could have been more measured, and called his post something like "Ambivalence of stated goals with regard to the Swedish Feminist Movement" But who the Hell would have read it then? Not me...

By the way, I like MPC, but this business about Jim being a pedo is a repulsive lie, as near as I can tell. All Jim ever said was that post-pubescent girls and boys who are not yet of legal age of consent have sexual feelings. Can anyone who remembers high school seriously doubt this? Why the Hell do you think we have a teen pregnancy problem, dimwits? Part of the problem with MPC on this issue is that most of the commentators over there are late-middle aged guys who have forgotten what it's like to be an adolescent.

If you doubt this, just ask your wife about her feelings when she was fifteen or sixteen...

Scott's Bluff said...

I’m glad to see you’re still writing as often as you’ve done for the past few years, even as the section of the alt-Right you belong with, NRx, has become dim in light of burgeoning racial politics. Rightfully so I suppose, considering the daily situation in European countries is looking crazier and crazier by the year. Tribal ideology seems inescapable if the fault lines in a chaotic society appear to break along racial lines, in the case of white people paying for welfare, prison housing, and run of the mill woes among PoCs. Without a doubt racial politics is basic and unsophisticated, but social stability relies upon a majority and that majority is typically racial at its very bottom. And then comes language, culture, religion, etc., but the tribe or thede must be present before all that and have a healthy sense of identity.

Just my two cents. MPC is hit or miss btw. I think they actually have a problem with the Fantasy genre, no joke. I dislike nerd pathology as much as the next guy, but Fantasy has produced enough artistic beauty and human appeal to warrant good standing, generally speaking.

Just Sayin' said...

Unless whites get our shit together, we'd only spoil Eastern Europe by fleeing there. They should close the borders and let us burn in the hell of our own making.

And if we do get our shit together, there is no excuse for running away.

Dystopia Max said...

MPC's mainly a collection of already-established men, they'll imply 90% of what Jim says about women when they're not saying it outright "satirically."

Then again, they also like randomly posturing about how they'll have the harem all to themselves after all the cucks are gone. Too many haven't consciously repented of the standard liberal mindset they grew up with, usually to the precise extent that the mindset benefited them personally despite being admittedly socially destructive. When you're the lucky hyper-aggressive successful mouse in the resource utopia, the normal and the cuck mice look the same, and you tend to lose all empathy for any of them.

I.E., the part they really get triggered about is "white men claimed and successfully enforced ownership over women, if individual white men claimed and enforced such ownership, with their individual enforcement backed by collective enforcement."

They're not all that mad about the rest, and would have attacked Jim regardless. Porter enters that territory at least once a month depending on how depressive he is at the time.

The thought of actually, building, adhering to, and enforcing a sensible social contract among hwhyte men in general triggers them, because it means they'll eventually have to actually defend a nerdy, foolish, or otherwise low-status male's claims to the basic rights of a husband, father, and lover, against the average woman. In real life. It sucks, it lowers your social status, makes you feel bad, and it's absolutely necessary to the maintenance of any functional social order.

I blame the higher percentage of childless men, and possible lack of realistic street fight experience, where having both friends and sympathetic male onlookers on your side is paramount. They say they want hwhyte America, but they want only the preservation of society of the people they can see themselves hanging out with in real life. It's too narrow a spectrum to form a ruling elite, though it would make a great entertainment/enforcement division.

Really, that's why fundamental nerds like ((Cernovich)), Roosh, Vox Day, and Heartiste can troll the Jews out of nowhere with more impact and effectiveness than they can. Their systems and philosophies are simple, strong, and easily understood and applied by the average heterosexual male nerd normie without having to go through the Evola reading list, the deadlifting regimen, or the high-intensity posting career. They also scale far better, and will philosophically prepare people for the previous three far more fundamentally than jumping in with the sharks feet first.

Lawrence Ashcroft said...

"Son of Brock Landers said...
Thanks Lawrence. I heard about your aggregator. Weird I just went to it and did not see 28 Sherman. Great to see aggregators set up!" -- Son, check TWENTY-EIGHT SHERMAN (since the feeds are organized in alphabetical order it would be kind of clumsy to spell it as 28Sherman). The podcast 2Kevins is also spelled as TWO KEVINS. :)

Paul Rain said...

Are we really talking about 'exit strategies'? If so, Jim's 'exit strategy' is the entirely rational position of not letting women vote. This is more realistic than crap about converting to Tuskenism.

I'm not saying that women shouldn't ever be allowed to vote. A widow with five or six children probably deserves second class citizenship, as a man with a wife, at least one white child, and a record of military service against the enemy should receive.

But, when you start talking about conversion to sand-niggerism you are either embracing talking out of your ass for its own sake, or simply insane.

Son of Brock Landers said...

Paul - Agree on removing female suffrage. I also would rather fight than consider wacky exit strategies but airing strategies is a good thing as thought experiments to get people thinking.

Females voting for Moar Socializm from a geriatric communist like Sanders is sign enough that they need that "right" revoked.

etype said...

Hello, I enjoy reading your blog and enjoy your arguments. I’m not sure my opinion will be wanted, but here it is -
‘NRx’ if you are honest, is overwhelmingly stupid. simple as that. This despite 99% of NRx’s energy being poured into attempts to strike various postures that might suggest an abundance of super-cerebral sociopolitical dynamo’s designing the unstoppable future.... please don’t get in their way... heavy thinking work involved....and what did we get? - ‘Jim’s Blog.’ (and Xenosystems.)

I don’t know where you geniuses have been educated, but I think there would be some agreement on this matter if there were more than a few of you who read, studied and lived perhaps a little farther beyond the lines than the expected absorption of systematized common cant - namely you would immediately notice the fact that Jim is a imbecile - a know-nothing blowhard....who, when a parsing of his facts and arguments are rendered, is revealed as completely full of shit. It doesn’t matter if you get your bi-weekly rage fix at Jim’s, if you don’t care about the fact that he doesn’t factually, conceptually or otherwise align with reality, in other words, he’s full of shit - then you are part of the problem.
NRx has pretensions... it can’t deliver on... because pretensions are not even a start. Why has it taken so long to ask why? Because if you asked you wouldn’t have got an answer. There was never any ‘there’ there. It was cant and nothing else. How many of the non-aligned have tried to debate these hard at work NRx posers on matters of importance? In returned received absolute drivel, babble or a sop as to how the concepts of NRx are difficult and take time to process - first one must acclimatize to the prevailing intellectual currents - second, one must... this is usually written by some drop-out chuckle head as the perfect NRx answer to direct questions (this was written on more than one blog as a formula concerning debating in non NRx forums.)
If NRx was a dog, I would shoot it.
How many of you haven’t come close to vomiting at this aristocratic, monarchist, Carlylian nonsense wielded by suburban cubicle geeks who have absolutely no knowledge of the classical world, of it’s peoples, of it’s languages, it’s cultures - geeks who are absolute death, the cyanide of the classical and all of it’s values, holding forth as if this was their métier! Good God the arrogance. The fact they even allude to it is confirmation of their complete disrespect of it. Another empty pose.


Sorry, I understand you are invested in concepts like NRx and criticism is discouraged. But what I’m trying to do here briefly is give you a view into the mind of one person who was initially excited and interested in the concept of NRx, despite stupid ideas like re-instituting monarchy and nerds talking about aristocracy etc.

Toddy Cat said...

"I understand you are invested in concepts like NRx and criticism is discouraged"

If SOBL discouraged criticism, your comment wouldn't be here. You've obviously mistaken this for a Leftist/Neocuck site...

That being said, there is some validity to your criticism. IMHO, NRx is somewhat like Marxism; it has some very valid critiques of modern political society, but its prescriptions are nonsense. But still, NRx is the first really new political movement in almost a hundred years, and it has gotten people talking about basic political ideas in a way that hasn't happened for a long time. Yeah, there are certainly some idiots in NRx, but there are also some genuinely talented people who are writing because of it, such as our genial host, Nick B. Steves, Spandrell, Nick Land, and others. As for Jim, yeah, he's wrong on the facts sometimes, but he's no imbecile, and he's more of a provocateur than anything, which has value as well. His post entitled "Women like Rapists" was outrageous, to say the least, but it highlighted the hypocrisy of Western Liberal Feminists like nothing else could have.

Personally, I'm more Alt-Right than NRx, but I'm glad that it exists. If NRx was a dog, I wouldn't shoot it - I'd keep it around. It's behavior is a little...odd sometimes, but at least it's not the same old dead, stuffed dog we've all been pretending was alive for so long, and it barks at all the right things. That's not nothing...

Pvt. Jaybird said...

I didn't know you were a trad Catholic. I've been regularly attending a Tridentine Mass for the past two years. I struggle with my beliefs constantly, but I feel it is my duty to my ancestors and my descendants to stay within the Church.

Personally, I would rather my line die out than convert to a gutter religion like jizzlam.

Son of Brock Landers said...

I prefer to fight it out and stay Catholic. Die fighting. I don't think the other side has the fucking stomach for it.

PRCD said...

I agree with etype.