Wednesday, February 04, 2015

Fame and Sexual Market Value

On Twitter, there was a varied but small thread on male SMV and fame. It started with Heartiste commenting on Alpha Brady. I noted that Brady revealed something interesting about male SMV and fame. Tom Brady is a superstar NFL quarterback with movie star looks. He dumped his hot actress girlfriend fo many years to hook up with Victoria's Secret Supermodel, Gisele Bundchen. He married her. Still, he ended up marrying Leonardo DiCaprio's ex-girlfriend from about a decade ago. Since Gisele, if Leo's straight and I think so, he was banging Bar Rafaeli and subsequent other models and actresses. Brady reveals the athlete's spot on the Fame SMV pyramid.

Movie stars > TV Stars > Music Stars > Athletes. One's Sexual Market Value (SMV) is a mix of things with different weighting. It is a basket of traits the ladies weigh when considering you. With the fame portion, that pyramid works. There is the element of money as in earnings per output and income potential long term. Ever notice musicians are always itching to break into tv and film, but few movie stars are cutting albums (Eddie Murphy's "Party All the Time" is legit)? Ice-T has been bumming around on Law and Order: SVU. His take on making movies was they paid him for reading lines and showing up a few weeks out of the year. Easy money. The other element is continued exposure on camera, in print and the paparazzi game. Ryan Reynold's baby will get a People Mag little article and maybe photo set; how many athlete's are getting that? Anyone? Bueller?

Heartiste also mentioned the legacy of the stadium rockers. They slayed far more than we could ever enjoy. That is partly a function of the "post-pill, pre-HIV, pre-obesity Golden Age of Sex". It is also a function of music being so much bigger back then. We are not an 85% white nation anymore with one sizeable minority. We're a mixed soup of a culture. No one is going to be Jagger in '72, Springsteen in '84, or even Michael Jackson and Madonna in the mid '80s for music status. Not happening. Music has fragmented with society, and it is hard to find a unifying act. The churning of tastes made by the music media mandarins hurts as well. A classic Hip-Hop radio station might play songs just fifteen years old but they sound ancient. This hurts their fame status. One simple way of viewing it is less work, less practice, more face time and more pay. Movie actors have it made. Ultimately, what are you doing for a woman's status amongst her peer group? The gridiron and court are nothing compared to a red carpet.

*For women, it's looks and age. Ever notice the weird phenomenon of female actresses getting bigger than their husbands fame-wise and a divorce follows?

24 comments:

PA said...

"Still, he ended up marrying Leonardo DiCaprio's ex-girlfriend"

Dating DiCaprio's ex is one thing. But why marry? One would think that there would be sometging called Cinderella Agency, which searches out beautiful girls of good character for famous men to marry. Sort of how they found a virgin for prince William.

If I were a rich and famous man looking to marry, I'd request a beautiful eighteen year old girl from a good home and with high SAT scores willing to have five children in seven years. Why hasn't anyone thought of it? Why marry a used glorified groupie? With "used" being the objectionable quality.

Back when Carrie Underwood dated Tony Romo and perhaps other hotshots, I remarked that somewhere in Oklahoma there is a twenty-something regular guy who banged her when she was younger, hotter, tighter.

PA said...

The celebrity SMV foodchain: does it correlate with money?

Anonymous said...

funny enough, when you google pics of Leo and Gisele, you see tons of pics of her staring at him admiringly and lovingly, them kissing passionately.

Brady + Gisele... nothing like that at all. Its more about her posing for the camera.

In Heartistian terms, Leo was her 5 minutes of alpha. Brady is the commitment beta

Son of Brock Landers said...

Great point on photos, anon!!!!

PA - Money is separate but part of a man's overall SMV. Peyton Manning's wife is a sexy redhead he met at Tennessee but if he earned the same but was in Hollywood as an actor or even county music singer, she'd be hotter. I aslo agree with you about a millionaire matchmaker service. Reminds me of Eddie Murphy saying he'd find a hot african girl just cuz she'd not know about his wealth or divorce.

Anonymous said...

Bridget Moynihan is also 6 years older than Brady. Yeah, she was attractive, but still a head scratcher for a guy, especially a famous guy to date that much older.

Apologies to CH, signs point to Brady not being that alpha with women.

Suburban_elk said...

This is a picture of Brady and Gisele at the beach. The look on Tom's face is all squinty-eyed. His physique is imposing. It would appear that Gisele has a nice puffy bush, with her hips narrow. The angular quality of her face carries the sunglasses, and she will not look out of place on the back of a Harley Davidson.

They are beautiful people, and their "flaws" are not to be seen as such, but rather as peculiarities that make them seem human.

But Leo was with her first, and that is interesting because it is flipped around from what one might expect, which would be that the big athlete superstar is the bad boy virgin killer, with the more effeminate looking pretty boy only getting to pick up the slack later on.

So that is odd, how that worked in reverse.

Suburban_elk said...

One would think that there would be sometging called Cinderella Agency, which searches out beautiful girls of good character for famous men to marry. Sort of how they found a virgin for prince William.

As the reference to Prince William alludes, it is a matter of knowing the right people.

As for starting up an internet business with that purpose, and particularly with that name, there might be problems. Though I like the idea and pledge support.

Chris said...

"Reminds me of Eddie Murphy saying he'd find a hot african girl just cuz she'd not know about his wealth or divorce."

Eddie found another solution that worked for him & he got to keep his millions and it wasn't women per se

nikcrit said...

One would think that there would be sometging called Cinderella Agency

I would bet such an agency exists, albeit incognito...... my gloss on celebrity hookups: it's all one big escort service in terms of how such relationships come into being; there's a whole underground network of 'madame'-ing facilitated by talent agents, p.a.'s, managers, etc., under 'miscellaneous duties.'

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FWIW,
I think that beach pic of Brady and Gisele is very unflattering toward Giselle; she's got a peasant-prole non-angularity to her face, with her nose exaggeratedly coarse......in that pic, at least....

I not5ice the alt-right seems to have a pronounced interest in quantifying beauty and other aesthetics that are often gauged qualitatively (subjectively).

Toddy Cat said...

"Brady is the commitment beta"

Good Lord, if Brady is beta, what chance do the rest of us have?

I wonder if it was always like this. Back in the 1960's - 1970's Joe Namath had a reputation as being the ultimate playboy. Did athletes have greater SMV back then, like rock stars?

PA said...

"Brady is beta, what chance do the rest of us have?"

Heh. But seriously, the old adage 'show me the hottest girl in the world and I'll show you a man who is bored of fucking her' works both ways. A wiman in an ltr witb Tom Brady will see plenty of unscripted moments that knock him down from Olympus. Especially if despite his looks and fame he has a nice guy / beta nature or just no knowledge of game.

Jokah Macpherson said...

The nuances of alphaness from sports fame versus movie fame are pretty much beyond my comprehension as concerns. It's sort of like when I read in newspapers that there aren't enough female billionaire CEO's and think it's pretty nice that this is high up our list of problems.

Thought experiment for men: who would you rather have sex with? (1) Your favorite female celebrity or (2) a woman of no fame who looks pretty much the same?

Son of Brock Landers said...

Guys - Brady is alpha. He is the leader of that team, a leader of men. I'm just pointing out how his fame is not like Leo's and using their shared Gisele connection to explain sports fame vs Hollywood fame. Hollywood is king.

Jokah - No question about it, the non-famous lookalike.

peterike said...

Well movie and TV stars have higher SMV than athletes because most women don't care about sports, but they care a lot about movies and TV. Most women probably can only name a few athletes at all: the ones that bubble up and become celebrities, like Brady. The rest are a vast sea of unknowns to them.

The ultimate Alpha athlete has got to be Derek Jeter. The guy has had an amazing run of girlfriends, pretty much all gorgeous, yet he's never been married and as far as I know has never fathered a child. That's some serious control of your women there.

You can see Jeter's current girlfriend: on the cover of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/02/05/hannah-davis-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-edition-cover-derek-jeter/

She's all of 24 years old.

nikcrit said...

The ultimate Alpha athlete has got to be Derek Jeter. The guy has had an amazing run of girlfriends, pretty much all gorgeous,..."

I'm telling y'all, it's that 'halfrican whip appeal!'

We enter the picture, and a woman loses control and starts giving off all sort of sexual reactions and secretions!...lozz

peterike said...

It's interesting to compare Jeter with A-Rod. Here's a gallery of A-Rod girlfriends. Ok, many celebrities, mostly attractive, but really all 7s or 8s at best, and mostly 30s and 40s, whereas Jeter is never with less than a 9 and usually with 10s, and often with 20-somethings. A-Rod, being a bit of a weirdo himself, also goes out with weirdo hags like Madonna.

Maybe it's because A-Rod was married to a mediocre looking woman.

http://pge.sx/1zfVMqy

Son of Brock Landers said...

Jeter occupied a glamour sports position "face of the yankees". Like Cowboys QB and "face of the Lakers", it adds cache. Jeter was also 21 handsome and had "it".

Arod liked the fit blonde type. Looked at all of his chicks, fitness model looking types with a touch on the older side like Torrie Wilson who is gorgeous but was a knock out at 25 not as much at 35 when dating arod. Jeter dumping mariah carey over 2am booty calls during the season was a hilarious story, plus he dated miss universe after which sent Carey to the looney bin for therapy!

Anonymous said...

drama and music also connect with women emotionally more than sports. with a hollywood or rock star she can love his status and get an emotional rollercoaster from his life's passion/work. With the jock its more like "he's rich and has hawt abs".

nikcrit said...

The gridiron and court are nothing compared to a red carpet.

I agree, yet i find it odd that that is so even though professional athletics is the one fied of pop culture that hasn't suffered and been obfuscated by digital-age market atomization.

So true though, re. popular music; the raw format of pop i wrote about it in the 90s to about ten years ago is gone, pure nostalgia at this point.

I was at a school listening to the kids' music and radio broadcasts during a few advisories last week; basically, the pure production, the elements of the songs they listen to, on average have nothing whatsoever to do with analog recording and instrumentation; every musical element is sampled digitization, and the narrative itself, is more or less a mix of sing-song lyric, urban folk expressions and outright conversation, with no traditional song-lyric structure; any and all personalized artistic touches and signatures are facilitated by the production and post-production processes, most of which did not even exist to the general public 15 years ago.
It's basically a new pop-art form, rather than traditional popular music, that these whippersnappers have forged! lolzz

PA said...

the pure production, the elements of the songs they listen to, [...] every musical element is sampled digitization

That was a good description of contemporary music. I catch it mostly at my gym. Verily, there must be a growing subterranean hunger for a new kind of raw, honest rock. Arguably, you can only do so much with an electric guitar and its range of power chords and the 4-4 beat. Did the Seventies rockers grab up all the low-hanging fruit, with 80s metal bands and 90s grungers sweeping up what's left of the genre's possibilities?

I do not know.

Culture works in cycles and there is a pattern of pendulum swinging between the masculine, raw, and cathartic - and its opposite - feminine, polished, dancey.

There is one newish genre that is 100% studio, which I like quite a bit: dub step. The freakier the better. A friend of mine dabbles in DJ'ing and showed me the intricacies of the style.

Also back in the nineties, I liked techno/trance, dub step's predecessor. On long solo night drives, which were a fixture in my twenties then, I liked either bluesy music (including the original Delta blues as well as rock adaptations such as Zeppelin stuff like "Since I've been loving you") or techno/trance.

ARoss said...

Brady may have command on the field but off of it he is far from Alpha, Crying because he was picked in the 6th round:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGF4l3hcgBg, Doing a pansy ass earth hour bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Njr2GB9oh0 and the Miley Cyrus hairstyle: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tom%20brady%20blonde&qs=n&form=QBIRMH&pq=tom%20brady%20blonde&sc=1-16&sp=-1&sk=&ajf=10#view=detail&id=29EBC9ACA1C7C232446D8DE4B09D0D9A2C522126&selectedIndex=0

nikcrit said...

Brady may have command on the field but off of it he is far from Alpha, Crying because he was picked in the 6th round:

I sorta lurk and intermittently commnt at CH's site, and i think many comments there as well as the above comment overlook a circumstance that appears beta but is really what you might say is 'beyond beta/alpha assessment'; e.g., Brady's crying, and such alpha transgressions from celebrated financially elevated profiles, need to be reinterpreted be-cause of their perched circumstances, obviously, right?
I mean, i can site pile-upon-pile of rich, celebrated individuals who were outright pious, p.c./beta apologists who enjoyed pussy galore sweepstakes to the point of jaded impotency specifically because the sheer scale fo their perch advantage obliterated them from even the most basic beta-vs-alpha comparative situations.
I'm saying, you can't call Brady 'beta'; his pre-emptive bona-fides blos him off any and all scales one might presume in making a behavioral assessment. lolzz; that is a obvious factor acknowldgement but often in the moment overlooked at CH's and other such sites...

nikcrit said...

I liked either bluesy music (including the original Delta blues as well as rock adaptations such as Zeppelin stuff like "Since I've been loving you")

I'm a X'er born at the end of the 6o's, which sorta puts me in the next generation, but when i first started playing guitar in middle-school, that and other in that canon were among the guitar-god anthems that me and my friends worshipped and slavishly studied and applied into our bar-band repertoires; we came of age to late 80s pop, but it was Hendrix, the Stones, Zeppelin and some of the black delta and big-city blues you cite that fueled our muses from the two generations earlier and gave us inspiration..

In the possibly more-info-than-you-cared-to-know dept re. the developing psyche of the adolescent Nikcrit: a sorta adolescent-mulatto-coping mechanism I developed as a young teenage musician was: my idealized pop id as a teen had me imaging myself as a physical fusion of Keith Richards and Jimi Hendrix; I literally balmed some latent 'halfrican' identity-crisis teen neurosis by imagining myself the human musical bridge of those two retro rock icons. And it worked, in my self-absorbed adolescent state; even today, i can't disrespect how much psychic relief the idea of Jimi Hendrix was in my Upper-Midwest outlier state: a black musician adored and reveled by white-teen aggregate masses I was to some exent always alienated from.

A godsend to someone like me, given the time, frame and circumstance fate presented me with.

ARoss said...

"need to be reinterpreted be-cause of their perched circumstances, obviously, right?" He already is a reinterpretation as part and parcel of the liberal/soviet style new man that the media and other rabbits are showing off as their version of masculine. I mean I very much doubt Johnny Unitas picked in the 8th round and subsequently released by his home town Steelers would have cried about waiting so long to be picked nor would I expect Bart Starr picked in the 15th round have been that upset about it. Also the timing of that interview was around of their 18-1 season after winning those Superbowls and obtaining a highly paid contract. I'm of the belief that a man should only cry when it pertains to death, serious injury or serious family matters.