Thursday, January 15, 2015

Cobain, the Social Justice Rock Warrior

I stumbled across an interesting quotation by Kurt Cobain. It was not interesting for its wisdom but for what it revealed. While reading it, I had to suppress a laugh. Dress him in his normal attire, slap an Obama sticker on his guitar, and Cobain could be any of the hipsters you are stuck talking to at a vegan wedding reception. Here is the quote.

"I think rap music is the only vital form of music that has been introduced to music in a long time since punk rock. I would never attempt rap music. There’s no sense in it, the people that do rap music do it just fine. I’m usually offended by people like Vanilla Ice and stuff like that. People who really didn’t come from the streets. The white man ripped off the black man long enough. They should leave rap music to the African Americans ‘cause they do it so well and it is so vital to them. The main thing that bothers me about Rap is that almost all of it is sexist; it has no respect for women at all and that pisses me off and I can’t even consider it a vital form of music when it’s used like that. I like the comfort in knowing that the Afro-American has once again been the only race that has brought a new form of original music to this decade. ‘It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back’ is one of my favorite rap albums ever."

Let's run through those lines as to the progressive declarations they are.


Only vital form of music... in a long time since punk rock = Ignorance at the development of rap and punk both being '70s NYC phenomena.

I’m usually offended by people like Vanilla Ice and stuff like that. People who really didn’t come from the streets. = A rocker used the word "offended". Authenticity! I don't like those whites trying it. Notice he avoids the Beastie Boys.

The white man ripped off the black man long enough. They should leave rap music to the African Americans ‘cause they do it so well and it is so vital to them. = Yes, that rip off of rock 'n' roll will not die. What else was ripped off Kurt? Total white guilt here. He used African-Americans, and this was the early '90s.

The main thing that bothers me about Rap is that almost all of it is sexist; it has no respect for women at all and that pisses me off and I can’t even consider it a vital form of music when it’s used like that. = Kurt uses vital again. Kurt shows his male feminist bona fides. He hates when rap is used in a sexist manner, which is roughly 1/4 of the songs on all rap albums ever. It is the early '90s, had he not heard of 2 Live Crew.

I like the comfort in knowing that the Afro-American has once again been the only race that has brought a new form of original music to this decade. ‘It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back’ is one of my favorite rap albums ever. = He now uses Afro-American. Super on the edge for progressive talk. New form of original music this decade, which somehow overlooks rap's entire '80s existence and even late '70s start. He then throws out the hipster loved, political album of the '80s by Public Enemy.

This is pure signaling. It is almost beautiful in how many terrible SWPL cliches he can fit into the paragraph. Cobain starts of by praising the origin of rap, and how it is the only new form of music since punk. He manages to promote the black expression of authenticity as unique and special, while simultaneously ripping an "other" white. Cobain can position himself as a good white. He even slips in a slavery styled reference. Like SWPLs admiring Mos Def for years, citing "It Takes a Nation..." as one of his favorite albums is the thinking man's appreciation of rap. Cobain is angry at rap's denigration of women, so he burnishes his feminist credentials.


His status was suppose to be the new face for the ascendant rock music genre. This is Oberlin talk, not the words of a druggin' and lovin' Mick Jagger or even Axel Rose. This is an insecure man seeking to keep his status of enlightened, "good white", and not some silly rocker. This paragraph is by a man so self loathing and angry not just with himself but his gender, heritage and even race. It is an insight to understanding how a 27 year old set to be the biggest star of the newest iteration of rock music killed himself. No one with that mindset could grab the Rock Star Conch.

35 comments:

nikcrit said...

‘It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back’ is one of my favorite rap albums ever."

Mine too; hands-down 'thee' favorite...never knew that about cobain; cool!

Some of the kurt fealty in the man-o-sphere and accorded elsewhere on the alt-right sorta cracks me up, 'cuz the guy was personally such an antithesis to alt-right talk and walk, etc. massively so, dude! lolxzxz.

PA said...

Watching various clips of Cobain interviewed gives me an impression that he's a child. I think "signaling" gives him too much credit -- that would imply some rudimentary shrewdness.

I've written elegaic posts about him and I still have a certain feeling of regret when I see his photos. Like about a boy who was killed, never mind the adult form you see. No homo, there is something very personally compelling to me about his face.

Commenter Suburban Elk described him as a viking who reached the end of the earth in the Pacific Northwest and had no idea what to do next.

Chris said...

He married Courtney Love. Talk about desperate for anything to hold on to...jeezus, what a fucking mess this guy was.

That all being said, Nevermind was an amazing album.

I always thought the video for Lithium was fantastically amusing with a nice cameo from Doug Llewelyn, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbgKEjNBHqM

Anonymous said...

This quote is eye-opening and depressing. However, the appeal for cultural separatism is something I can get behind.

peterike said...

You can't much blame the guy. Kids in America have long been massively brainwashed into every form of PC, and he clearly didn't have the mental capacity to fight it. But it's almost like he goes along because he knows he's supposed to go along, but he doesn't really know why.

In any case, the music he made was very white and very masculine, so there you go.

Speaking of music, hey Nikcrit! I'm currently obsessed with this pop song. Wondering if you like these guys, Withered Hand.

http://youtu.be/-YSLiq5wVZU

nikcrit said...

Here's the thing about Cobain: he certainly had the folky ethno-charisma, which charms PA and doubtlessly countless others and was likely responsible for much of his appeal.

But: he also, probably because of that very charisma, had some other, equally prevalent personal qualities that were not so dutifully noted by the mainstream and alternative pop press: raging egomania, personal vindictiveness, a horribly reflexive cruelty streak and a penchant for subjecting his closest associates to some very low-rent prima-donnaisms, which everyone from closest friends to journalistic passersby had the great fortune to witness.

Say what you will re. Ms.,Cobain-Love, but the woman spoketh evident truth when she claims that St. Kurt was not quite the alt-angel etched into modern myth by the pop press (and yours truly shares some complicity in that outrage as well).

http://www.spin.com/articles/courtney-love-kurt-cobain-wanted-fame-interview-video/

PA said...

Wiki page for Kurt Cobain goes into detail about his parents' divorce, which it says was very traumatic for the seven-year-old Kurt. A salient detail is his mother's subsequent boyfriend, reported on wiki as being abusive.

The interloper-cock (what else is mom's asshole boyfriend to a kid?) once broke her arm and she "steadfastly refused to press charges" (wiki).

One begins to understand.

nikcrit said...

peterike,

RE. Withered Hand:
Can't see anything there caused me to rise above myself and take flight; however, being a Milwaukeean, I was heartened by the accordion embellishment, as accordion, polka and alt-rock are not so unlikely compatriots 'round these here parts.... have to say, you are one eclectic lad, even for a educated epicurean hipster of the Big Apple sort, if you can dig a range running from Withered Hand to Joan Armatrading......

I'm not much into alt-rock or much pop period at this late and jaded pop scribe's date.

Shoot, I still harken back to this vid and their likes when it comes to putting a alt-pop smile on my mug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTTgpTeb0Z8

peterike said...

Shoot, I still harken back to this vid and their likes when it comes to putting a alt-pop smile on my mug

Hah! 90s music! I can barely think of anything I liked from the 90s. I'm sure there's a thing or two, but otherwise it's definitely my least favorite musical decade. What did you have? Ok, Sleater-Kinney, a few brilliant Iris Dement albums, a couple from Lucinda Williams. That's all I can think of.

Been also digging the country lately. The Miranda Lambert and Angaleena Presley albums are quite nice. And Brandy Clark. Been liking some Black Rebel Motorcycle too.

Music! Something we can all agree to disagree on.

Rifleman said...

Some of the kurt fealty in the man-o-sphere and accorded elsewhere on the alt-right sorta cracks me up

Why is the so called alt right into him? He seemed like a weak little wuss from what I remember.

Sailer has an article on country singers vs rock singers and relative height and weight. A lot of country stars are big guys and right wing. Rock guys are tiny or skinny and generally liberal types.

Commenter Suburban Elk described him as a viking who reached the end of the earth in the Pacific Northwest and had no idea what to do next.

Sounds like another stupid comment by that elk idiot.

Cobain was more of a forest troll than any kind of Viking.

peterike, you and some of the other guys here are really into some pathetic White nerd/sissy music aren't you.

It's interesting to hear the music lots of White guys (and the halfrican) in the alt-sphere like. Kind of pathetic actually.

Son of Brock Landers said...

I did not like Cobain, but the In Bloom video was a good concept. Like Weezer's Buddy Holly. Seemed like a child not ready for Rock God status despite it being there for him.it always struck me weird how he shunned it. I was a Pearl Jam fan and weirded out by how pansy and feminist their songs were. I was a Guns n Roses fan in the '80s and liked classic bands like the Stones Who, Zeppelin and '70s acts. Neil Young's guitar work is a personal favorite. I'm the child of rock fans so I'm a rock guy. Seeing is killed by a decade of lead men who couldn't lead sucked.

PA said...

Here is a fun mental exercise. If you ask someone what kind of music they like, cjsncrscare, they'll say "all kinds of music." Most of us would. For example, outside of classical music I like things as disparate as Elvis, George Jones, the Four Tops, Boney John Lennon, Celine Dion's french language ouvre, Polish, Baltic and Yugoslavian rock/pop, Metallica, much of 1980s top 40, George Michael, B-52s, Avenged 7x, Muse, and so on.

So you ask: if you had to spend the next year/ten hours/ whatever listening to one genre of popular music, what would it be?

My answer: Grunge, defined broadly. I like the 90s guitars, pathos, raw sound. This would include the 'core' grunge bands as well as related or derivative acts. I guess in other words, the angry 90s sound.

Now, for a follow-up question: after all that Grunge, you'll want something different. What will it be? My answer: mellow 70s music, defined broadly. This would include melodious Country, Abba, Pink Floyd, Jimmy Buffet, etc.

PA said...

I completely forgot Guns N Roses (and Achtung Baby / Zooropa-era U2) among my favorites.

PA said...

Now, if I were asked: what single band/artist would you choose, if you had to pick one. My answer: Pink Floyd.

Son of Brock Landers said...

PA - That's a great mental game. I'd go for top 5 '70s rock (arena to yacht rock), Motown, Grunge, '60s rock, and '80s pop.

Suburban_elk said...

I remember that thread discussing Cobain.

First of all - Riflenobody. I have read maybe 200 of your posts, around the scene, and they are conspicuously devoid of content. Every time you comment there is nothing there. And if that weren't enough your personality is negative. No content and no character. Also, the handle rifle-whatever is in line with the generally valid observation on behavior, particularly on the internet: the more bravado in a name, the lesser the man.

In a battle of wits you are outmatched and I think you know it.

From memory, on that old thread at the Pig, it was the same deal. Your whole point, and your entire post, was Cobain is girly, or something. That was it. Wow, some heavy artillery there.

In point of fact, the observation on Cobain's look, is true, but you can't go anywhere with it because you don't have the displacement. All you got is a teenager's opinion. There is a certain character on the alt-right scene, and he may be sincere, and he wants to be white, but he can't add to the discussion anything thoughtful or even interesting. Now if someone is a sincere personality, well then that's one thing; but just plain old cynicism and nothing else?

Is there even one example of a thought Rifleman has developed, or a question he has raised, anywhere ever. Every post of his I have ever seen, is lacking in content, completely.

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But the music scene that was grunge and Cobain and under discussion, was white. Grunge was an expression of a white scene in a white enclave in what was a white country, and the music set for tone for some time. And as always, the older generations didn't care for it.

And but the music was despairing and Cobain went off the wall, he lost his nutshell and cracked.

I will make the same point i made before. White people were able to expand into their living space, when that was their reason for being, to explore and expand. And when there was nowhere left to go, well what then. Stare out at the ocean and despair. That was the beat scene and grunge would be considered part of that same, like that drunk poet what's-his-name. You have to be born to it.

And i do hope Rifle-nobody wants to get beat up some more. I never liked him, and it is too easy.

Suburban_elk said...

Successful artists are reflections of the active audience. So of course Cobain is part of that scene.

Nevermind is a good album to this day. Some of those lyrics are really good, particularly the famous ones to that extra special famous song that we know and love, which lyrics have been repeated enough and do not need another repeating. But they talk about being extremely disconnected and isolated. "I feel stupid and contagious" is about the best line from popular music in the last 50 years - excluding Footloose, of course. (That's a joke, Rifleman, do you get it, or is that last level of remove too complex?)

Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid, and contageous

I am sorry, but again, i have to say, it is brilliant, and everyone knew it, and it remains.

But as a man, you should not feel stupid or contagious, or need to be entertained. But he did, and people related to it, and talk about it to this day. Does anyone think for a second that the lost generation staring out at the river from the cafe, or out at the ocean, has resolved the question, of what to do, or how to be.

I have said numerous times that the resolution to existential crises is in action, but the reality is that that resolution is shallow and superficial. Action without a larger purpose, adds up to nothing.

I think that the larger discussion is to ponder the goals that might give meaning to action. The popular neo-reaction is not doing an adequate job on questions of identity and purpose. Or perhaps i simply don't see it.

peterike said...

peterike, you and some of the other guys here are really into some pathetic White nerd/sissy music aren't you.

Sure am. I can't help it if my tastes are far more finely tuned than yours.

Belle & Sebastian 4 Evah!

peterike said...

"So you ask: if you had to spend the next year/ten hours/ whatever listening to one genre of popular music, what would it be?"

Jazz, but not bee-bop/free-form stuff. And by "jazz" I very much include vocal jazz which bleeds into the great American songbook, by which I mean Sinatra, Ella, Keely Smith, Jo Stafford, Peggy Lee, etc. A hard thing to define precisely, but you know what I mean.

"Now, for a follow-up question: after all that jazz, you'll want something different. What will it be?"

70s/80s punk/new wave. Close call with 60s/70s classic rock.


"Now, if I were asked: what single band/artist would you choose, if you had to pick one."

Bob Dylan.

Anonymous said...

We turned to the philosophers, but in front of them were only the spotty troubadours, so we took their wisdom because that as all we could be bothered to digest.

nikcrfit said...

"Why is the so called alt right into him? He seemed like a weak little wuss from what I remember."

Because cobain and his band are the iconic symbol of 'grunge,' a pop genre that broke free of the white-rockers' 20th-century bane: playing an elaborated-upon deriviation of black blues, soul and other afro-am pop.

In short, the alt-right loves Cobain 'cuz he ain't no wiggah.

"Sounds like another stupid comment by that elk idiot."

Not sure if that's not just one more example of your ill-mannered temperament and lack of grace, or that you're not familiar with the particular socio-culture of the upper-Midwest, which suburban-elk captures rather poignantly, pithily and insightfully.


"It's interesting to hear the music lots of White guys (and the halfrican) in the alt-sphere like. Kind of pathetic actually."

You've been spoiled by too much Englebert Humperdinck lately, you grumpy ass pisshead!


nikcrit said...

Grunge was an expression of a white scene in a white enclave in what was a white country, and the music set for tone for some time. And as always, the older generations didn't care for it.

"And but the music was despairing and Cobain went off the wall, he lost his nutshell and cracked.
I will make the same point i made before. White people were able to expand into their living space, when that was their reason for being, to explore and expand. And when there was nowhere left to go, well what then. Stare out at the ocean and despair. That was the beat scene and grunge would be considered part of that same, like that drunk poet what's-his-name. You have to be born to it."


I don't share the same perspective --- but the important point is: I don't therefore think what you say is wrong or untrue.
I'm just asking you eentertain the thought that your perspective isn't universally true.

See, i hear native-American rhythms in grunge, a la Soundgarden, a band emblematic of grunge itself in which the goddamn lead vocalist and the guitarist are mixed and non-white, respectively. These are mundane observations -s--- but my point is, i feel 'em and they ain't 'white' things. And this from a non-white who oft-feels kinship with whites and white iconry, etc.
these discussions become trip-wires inevitably, and i don't want to argue some point that i feel no real passion toward. I mean, is Paul Westerberg and the Replacements a 'white thing?' I'd say so that is before i would grunge writ large?
And the reigning essence of 'grunge,'
Alice in Chains, recently brought in this dude to replace their late singer:

https://www.google.com/search?q=william+du+vall&es_sm=122&biw=1366&bih=659&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=beK6VN3YMIqqggTfzYHQDg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgdii=_&imgrc=EHBbXYb32MUUHM%253A%3BKP3lNCVfbpqHDM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi748.photobucket.com%252Falbums%252Fxx130%252FNemi72%252FWilliam%252520Duvall%252FWD-006.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Faic.yuku.com%252Ftopic%252F692%252FWilliam-DuVall-Appreciation-Thread%253Fpage%253D21%3B1001%3B1024

finally, not to quibble, but your 'beat and grunge go hand-in-hand' riff would be considered off by many; beat is white bohemia meets black 40s be-bop and other then-new jazz formats.

nikcrit said...

OT@SOBL,

Just curious: which nfl team do Maine residents root for? I'm guessing it's New England.
If so, i imagine you have a dilemma today re. tonight's game. Still, it's all for naught, as whoever wins tonight will be upended two weeks from now, in line with this afternoon's forthcoming upset..:)

Suburban_elk said...

Those two points are both fair, nikcrit. But in regard to Seattle and the Northwest then being a white scene - it was. Soundgarden was a good band and i thought that Thayil was a cut above the rest, but they don't change the whole scene. I am not an authority on that scene or the scene that spun The Replacements. Frankly i was more part of the fanbase from which Prince emerged. And that might be compromising to admit.

Most of Prince's fanbase was white, but he had the talent to do something original and it appealed to all sorts. There is more to be said about that. I guess it is the same old story, of black people showing white people what they forgot how to do, which was to dance and have fun. There is absolutely no denying that, and it has been pointed out many times before, to the point that whites who are looking for their own thing are tired of hearing about it.

But in Prince's day, his erotic appeal to white women cannot be overstated. And the symbolism of that is too obvious and too perfect, it hardly needs to be said, but if there had not been something lacking in the white world, Prince would not have been the bedroom dreamboat stand-in superstar that he was. Everyone in Minneapolis has a Prince story.

In a recent comment thread in an urban planning forum regarding what to do with some public space downtown, part of which (in the works apparently) is a giant digital billboard, one of the leaders in that community was suggesting that, in between weather forecasts and such, it could show Prince videos. So that is the mentality of the urban hipster professional set around here: Prince will show us how to do it! Prince is from around here yay! It is kind of pathetic and if they weren't my people i would like to kill them all or is that too much information?

Suburban_elk said...

Regarding your second criticism,

but your 'beat and grunge go hand-in-hand' riff would be considered off by many; beat is white bohemia meets black 40s be-bop and other then-new jazz formats

That is a good summary of what Beat was. They were hugely into jazz. It went hand-in-hand.

I guess it was another case of white and black mixing it up and look at the results. No one is denying that there are things that come of it that are expressive and memorable.

What i was trying to get at though, come to think of it, and in response to your apt point, was that the place where Kerouac and the rest of them were at was, as with the Grunge scene, white. All the beat characters were white.

They looked up to the jazz players, and the beat characters "were informed by the sensibilities" (of the jazz artists), but the Beats themselves were white, and as a cultural phenomena, the beat movement [i hate the word "movement" in that context] was their take on the black improv jazz scene.

Among the neo-reaction white internet subculture, in which i participate - the Beats are regarded with disdain, as inimical to everything that is good and healthy. But I regard the Beats sympathetically. In the same way that Cobain's remarks and his politics can be regarded as symptomatic of the problems of his culture, which culture is (or was) more contemporaneous with my own and presumably most of the other participants here.

It is an interesting and worthwhile comparison that i made off the cuff, and it is not perfect. The artistic legacy of the Beat culture is frankly not that great. The best of it to my knowledge is Kerouac. But when i think of them i don't think of some books on a shelf, i think of the ruined characters that make up the stories, and by that measure the books are a success.

And with Nirvana. Cobain didn't make a catalogue with as many good songs as are in Prince's. But he did convey a lot, and it will be remembered.

PA said...

One ting to keep in mind regarding Grunge is that the Seattle-area musicians didn't "know" they are doing Grunge. They didn't think they're doing anything new, just their own small-time band take at metal/punk.

nikcrit said...

"Among the neo-reaction white internet subculture, in which i participate - the Beats are regarded with disdain, as inimical to everything that is good and healthy. But I regard the Beats sympathetically."

Yeah, I've run into that same kind of ambivalence when I feel the urge to make my own theoretical comparisons; sometimes, said similarity seems so right on target and clarifying ----- but it won't register nonetheless fly with the intended group or whatever social target because the obvious politics or symbolism or whatever of the elements being compared don't align, or at least don't fly with the widely shared gloss or even deeper presumptions.
I think that's a tendency and dilemma that often befalls outliers; they may hsve a penchant for making pertinent yet unlikely connections, even if said connections are unlikely to ever be widely acknowledged due to more entrenched or utilitarian reasons.

To me, the irony in the unlikely connection you make in the above quote, is that the Alt-right movement is very similar to past outclass movements in that it's au courant by being antithetical to current social orthodoxes, and little more than that ------ just like beat-ism was to the Cold War generation and hippie-dom was to the '60s.

every generation has to find its transgressive class and movement.

Rifleman said...

Suburban_elk said...

I remember that thread discussing Cobain.

First of all - Riflenobody. I have read maybe 200 of your posts, around the scene, and they are conspicuously devoid of content. Every time you comment there is nothing there.


So you had to read through 200!!! of my posts to figure out they are devoid of content? That would make you a bit.....sllloooowww!

I was able to figure you out as a blowhard and dullard after at most 2!

You aren't bright and you overwrite your essentially empty comments.

From memory, on that old thread at the Pig, it was the same deal. Your whole point, and your entire post, was Cobain is girly, or something. That was it. Wow, some heavy artillery there.

I don't know what "the Pig" is. And I don't remember ever commenting on Cobain other than in this thread. I have no interest in him, his music or his fanboys.

Is there even one example of a thought Rifleman has developed, or a question he has raised, anywhere ever. Every post of his I have ever seen, is lacking in content, completely.

I don't know where most of my posts are but there are some here.
http://www.unz.com/comments/commenter/Rifleman/

I don't tend to write essays in comment threads. I get right to the point.

I thought my comment about that creep @Whiskey was pretty good! Check it out.

PA said...

every generation has to find its transgressive class and movement.

Nikcit is riding high, with Elk's white-on-white reprimand of Rifleman and a quasi-concession on music.

"Transparency" is defined in the dictionary as "Nikcrit's concealment of his antipathy to white racial consciousness as expressed on the blogs he reads."

peterike said...

Prince! I never understood the fanatical love for Prince. He was a major critics' darling for sure, and he was instantly tagged with the "genius" label. But I never liked more than a handful of his songs, and I've tried many times to listen to his stuff.

I dunno, just one of those things. His music does almost nothing for me. Purple rain ya'll.

Also, happy black black blackety black day!

nikcrit said...

"Transparency" is defined in the dictionary as "Nikcrit's concealment of his antipathy to white racial consciousness as expressed on the blogs he reads."

(deep, exasperated sigh!) C'mon, man; your sinking to new lows, bracie. I've done no such thing; you keep trying to turn me into some sorta spiteful black-lib strawman, but the ingredients just won't fit the mold! I mean, I've expressed my agreement with some of my elk's sentiments before, particularly his grasp of urban upper-Midwest socio-cult folkore, or however one may put it. I simply don't do the anti-white dance, and that's just a fact!

I mean, i'm in deep-ass mourning today, still in shock from the epic collapse that hit my team yesterday afternoon, filtered through my heroic white QB and delivered by his foe, a biracial black QB.

Do you have no sympathy or even decency? lolzzz.

Also, happy black black blackety black day!

Once again, all you hatas is trying to rain on my taxpayer-funded three-day weekend!! lolz.

Suburban_elk said...

Prince is good but he has really not produced much since he peaked with Purple Reign and the next album or two after that were good enough, and then nothing.

Prince's career and how it peaked and sputtered is a good example of "life history trajectory". There was not much more to him. His last single that made the rounds was called Screwdriver and it was a sorry repeat of his earlier stuff. His appearance at the Superbowl five or 10 years ago or whenever was an embarrassment.

Athletes also are well known to fall into that trap, of not exiting the stage gracefully. And writers too, like Kerouac, who peaked and continued with lesser stuff. Internet commenters run the same course.

But the Life Peak thing, and personal development strategies, and r / K selection, are all tied up into HBD and race realism and contemporary politics and problems. With the Superbowl coming up particularly. I was glad to see Green Bay lose.

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There is a meta-observation to make regarding the internal politics of neo-reaction, as illustrated in the argument between this character and that other. Props to him for listing his posts at Unz.

I would invite the reader to have a look at mine there recently, and make a judgment on who is contributing what.

There is a sort of liberal / conservative split within the larger race-realist discussion group online.

nikcrit said...

I would invite the reader to have a look at mine there recently, and make a judgment on who is contributing what.

Both batches of comments there are interesting and a definite few cuts above how you fellas are conducting yourselves here.

So cut the nonsense, youngsters, or i'm going to have to call somebody's parents and hand-out a few suspensions!

(Actually, i'd heard of but didn't much visit that blog and site; thnx for inadvertently passing along the info)

nikcrit said...

"Transparency" is defined in the dictionary as "Nikcrit's concealment of his antipathy to white racial consciousness as expressed on the blogs he reads."

To be more precise (yet i do understand that there's no loud call for clarification), i would say my 'antipathy' is no more broad nor increased than what it's ever been; e.g., my goal and understanding in coming to blogs such as these is to foster more honest, less-caricatured engagement ----- which, i do understand, often means cross-racial antipathy forevermore. The more humble goal is to do away with some of the cant, caricature and insufferable sanctimony now-prevalent among us westeners as we try to engage on the confining altar of 21st-century p.c. orthodoxy.
So i often have to fend-off charges of being some lib-antiracist strawman that i never was, however understandable times might make such a presumption be.

Savage Blooper said...

Cobain's comments are better understood when you consider how involved he was in the Olympia, WA scene, the same location as Evergreen state college (notably the alma mater of that girl who was crushed by a bulldozer protesting Israeli settlements in Palestine a few years back).

He also dated the drummer from Bikini Kill and was friends with their singer (her graffiti "Kurt smells like teen spirit" was the inspiration for the title of their big hit). They promoted Peggy MacIntosh's list of white privilege in their zine (also called "Bikini Kill") in the early 90's (!), it reads like a standard "abolish whiteness" Tumblr SJW post.

Really, his comments seem pretty moderate given his social milieu.

For a good contrast, check out Eddie Vedder's SJW commentary in "Hype!", the documentary about the Seattle scene. If Cobain sounds dumb to you, well...